Is Underage Drinking a Problem in Our Towns?
Recent party bust pits residents, neighbors against each other.
An underage drinking party in Chester Township was broken up by law enforcement Friday night, sending minors scattering into the woods away from the home, police reported.
But the issue residents and neighbors disagreed on in Patch's comments section on that story had to do with alleged premise of the party–underage drinking of alcohol.
So, Patch is asking its readers to weigh in on this topic in our region, including Washington Township, the Chesters and Mendhams.
Do you believe underage drinking is a problem in our towns? Be sure to answer our poll question and leave your thoughts in the comments section below.
This post appears on both Long Valley and Mendham-Chester Patch sites.
Steve
11:21 am on Monday, February 4, 2013
Too complex and complicated for this format...
Matt S
2:55 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
drinking age should be 18, and that should be that
Mike
5:35 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Not a problem, but should be reduced. Not a lot of stories like this.
Steve
6:54 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
At the risk of becoming a target, my wife and I are what would likely be considered permissive parents... We have provided a wide area of structure for our 3 teenagers, within which they are free to express themselves (safely!) as they see fit.
We never micromanaged their hair style/color, their choice of clothes, their study habits, their choice of friends/hobbies, etc.
Somehow, even allowing them some access to alcohol within our home, we have three honor roll students who appear to be well-adjusted, 'color' blind towards Race and polite kids who we feel will be productive members of society moving forward.
2 of my 3 drink on occasion, and we find that to be No Big Deal.
MDL
9:07 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Wow a real parent, with a practical view and probably one heck of a good person.
Jersey
9:22 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
I don't think that's a big deal either. In fact, I think the most responsible way to introduce alcohol to kids is to do it in moderation, slowly, over the years. Not abstinence until you hit 21 and binge. That's a recipe for disaster.
But I will say, the incident prompting this poll was 70+ kids partying/drinking together. That's not the "kids will be kids" or "reasonable/moderate consumption" situation that I would personally find OK.
I don't think underage drinking is some horrible epidemic. Most kids do it, you take the risk of being caught and if you get caught, face the penalties. But as a parent, I think any parent who allows their kid to have a massive party with alcohol for tons of teenagers is a complete moron. I hope the kids had a great time before the cops busted up the party, and that they really appreciate the punishment someone is about to face for their stupid few hours of drinking.
PD73
9:39 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
We provided a safe house when our children were in high school more than ten years ago. Somehow they and all of their friends managed to become well adjusted, responsible, successful adults - including one police officer. Several are wonderful parents. 21 is just a ridiculous drinking age. There are NO drinking age restrictions in the rest of the world. There should only be laws if they get behind the wheel. Too much government is always a bad thing.
John Pritch
11:47 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
I scrolled to the comments section expecting to see a bunch of hard-line "law is the law" BS, but I have to say your statement puts my thoughts into words in a very eloquent manner. Thank you for being a good parent!
Alison
9:03 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
I feel bad for kids today as they can not be kids anymore....We want them to act like adults but they get treated like kids.
Just like the kids that have the strictest parents always end up with the kids who go to extremes when they are free....with all this policing we are not letting kids learn from their mistakes....I'm not condoning underage drinking but there are bigger issues in the world. By the time I was 21 I was over drinking...
Oldtimer
10:31 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Booze is nothing .Look into the Heroin problem.
Steve
10:49 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
Truth!
Shame is how long it's been going on... A group of western Morris friends who all went to HS together, currently all in the late-30s, have lost an easy 1/2 dozen to Heroin in the past decade.
Susan bower
7:12 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
I don't get it......Why must they drink to begin with--Are their lives SO miserable that they need alcohol or drugs to be happy and have a good time???? Why aren't they able to just hang out and have a good time without alcohol or drugs?????? If it is peer pressure, then they have not been raised correctly to begin with..Parents take a look at YOURSELVES!!!!
PD73
9:41 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
It's called curiosity! Parents look at yourselves if your kids SMOKE!! Far more dangerous and insanely stupid!
DD
12:41 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
This is such a poor post Susan and you are not in touch with the reality of being a teenager. Why do you need to throw blame? Your comment started correctly, You don't get it............
Steve
2:02 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
While I COMPLETELY understand your perspective and point of view, in my opinion it is not now (and never was) realistic...
Alcohol is promoted, endorsed and in some ways glorified by EVERY aspect of modern society.... In movies, video games, on television, in magazine, on the internet, it is EVERYWHERE.
My experience is that many kids have a damn fine time bowling, going to movies, hanging out with friends, etc without alcohol... but also have a good time WITH alcohol, just as they see adults do all the time.
I do not believe that many kids are 'pressured' into drinking, but more are curious... and I also (clearly) believe that the harder a parent denies or suppresses that curiosity, the greater the indulging that kid will perform once they are able to access it independently.
Denial is not good for yourself, your children or your community. Just as with teen pregnancies, the places you find it most rampant are the places where open conversation about sex is not allowed or simply not present!
Do you honestly believe that you can dictate to your kids and that alone will keep them from being curious or experimenting with sex, drugs or alcohol? I think the statistics would prove that position to be incorrect.
Again I cannot speak for everyone, but in MY household we removed all the taboos from talking about sex or drugs or alcohol and welcomed deep and meaningful open conversation and remove the Forbidden Fruit aspect.
AlanCohawlick
2:41 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
How would you have ever gotten a man if not for alcohol?
roger freiday
7:29 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Forbidden fruit is always the tastiest ! In Europe, wine or beer are considered food, and once the ''mystique'' and ''prohibition'' is gone, the urge to over-indulge is thwarted. There will always be binge drinkers but a controlled reasonable intro to wine or beer as a family unit is a much better method than ''just say no''. Evidence the stupid and un-productive ''war on drugs''.
Roger Keyser
7:56 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Good parenting goes a long way...
FourScore
8:06 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
The issue is not so much underage drinking, but irresponsible drinking. How many adults have been caught DWI in Washington Twp (one incident involving a former committeeman)? How many adults brag on Facebook about how they can’t wait to get home and pour that first glass of wine, or mix that martini? Where do you think the kids at the underage party learned to crave alcohol? Was it possibly from their parents who cannot get through the day without their after-work beer or cocktail? Did they learn this behavior watching mom and dad get together with their friends and having a grand old time amidst all the bottles of booze? What purpose does programs like DARE serve if they encourage kids to stay away from controlled substances, and yet those same kids witness the parents doing the exact opposite???
So yes… the issue is far more complicated than that.
been there
8:19 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
This is a very complex topic that will never get resolved because there are way too many factors. The way the law is written, it is ok for a child to consume alcohol at THEIR house with their parents permission and them being present,, not their friends.... as for the argument that kids will be kids and I did it when I was that age, I remember growing up and having an area kid killed EVERY year due to drinking and/or driving issues. This still does happen, but at a far lower occasion( because laws and enforcement of laws ). So for those families that have dealt with the lose a loved one way too soon, they do not want you to live with the pain that they understand.
John lee hookerman
9:41 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
I believe the main issue of the debate from the original article was not underage drinking per se. It was the police use of dogs and helicopter as a way to liven up an otherwise boring evening in their crime free town. How you parent is your own business. There is no sure fire method. The only common thread among the dead from my generation was parents that were self involved or pretended their child didn't have a problem or that the problem was caused by other people. Kids will drunk and try drugs no matter what you do, the best thing is to educate them that over indulgence is dangerous in any form.
12345678
9:45 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Right. There will always be underage drinking, breaking up a party with dogs and helicopters is just insane.
PD73
10:04 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Whomever authorized the helicopter/dogs production needs to explain WHY - other than boredom. And if the explanation is not sufficient, there needs to be disciplinary action. There is no blank check when it comes to using taxpayer's money and the cushy police assignment of working here is no excuse for a rash decision. A week per year working in our inner cities ought to bring them back to reality and stop the overkill.
MrsT73199
1:33 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
My understanding of the situation was that the police used the dogs and the helicopters to make sure that the teens who ran into the woods - without coats on a night where temperatures were well below freezing - were safe. The impetus was that if these teens were impaired due to alcohol, they might get lost and/or hurt and that the freezing temperatures could lead to disaster. I'd like to believe that the police had the best interests of the kids in mind, not that they were bored.
OldTimer
10:21 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
If you are old enough to serve in the armed forces at the age of 18, and are old enough to cope with the possibility of dying for our country, or returning home disabled after being in combat, in my opinion, you are old enough to have a drink. It's truly absurd that we can assume that our young men and women are responsible enough to defend our nation, and kill or be killed, but are not responsible enough to drink socially. There's something wrong with this picture!!!
Steve
2:04 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Agree with you yet again OT!
Said it for years: If the Gov't feels you are old enough to die on some foreign field to protect Corporate America, then you should be considered old enough to drink.
Nicole Faulkner
10:27 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Parents allowing their underage teen to imbibe on occassion, in moderation while under adult supervision is one thing. Parents sitting down and sharing a case of beer with their 16 year old like it's nothing, or providing it for 'Junior' and his/her friends is another. Make no mistake, there are PLENTY of parents in our town(s) whose own drinking habits are worrisome. They model this behavior at parties and other social events where their children are often present. I'm not referring to responsible social drinking. I'm referring to not being able to socialize without drinking to excess. Why is it then such a surprise that after years of witnessing this 'partying' these kids expect to be let into the club earlier and earlier? It's not so much about the legal age being 21, 18 or 42. As with most things in life, it is about the very clear and pervasive messages we give our children as we model behavior for them. Watch mommy and/or daddy end up half in the bag at every social function, chances are, you will conduct yourself much in the same manner - whether you wait until 21 or not.
To be clear, I am not 'blaming' parents or suggesting this scenario as a blanket statement that explains "all" underage drinking. I am simply pointing out a reality I have witnessed.
Kevin Nedd
2:23 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
What drinking a problem in our town? No way...that stuff only happens in "urban" areas where Democrats live.
Steve
2:30 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Awesome!
Just what America needs: More hyperbole, rhetoric and Party Afflicted Talking Points!
Thanks Kevin, yer a real pal and your off-topic political 'hate' speech has brought SO MUCH to this converstion.
Kevin Nedd
4:45 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
I agree....now tell the GOP to stop it!
PD73
2:47 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Now we need to be able to VOTE on lowering or eliminating the drinking age and join the rest of the WORLD in less government interfering with our lives.
Abraham Clark
2:51 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Steve lighten up, you sound like an uptight fool right now, go back to yelling at kids to "stay offa my lawn"!
Steve
2:57 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Awwwwwww, looky here!
Yet another person whose greatest intellectual contribution to this conversation is a sophomoric personal attack... Such assumption and generalization, as if you have the first clue who I am or how I am....
Besides, I do not live anywhere where anyone would even be on my lawn to yell at but of course that never stops folks like you from spewing your ignorant vitriol.
Abraham Clark
2:56 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
And repeal that kyleighs law crap, communist Russia and China had/have madatory curfews and you have to report your comings and goings to the government. Does anyone else notice that we are headed in that direction with these rediculous laws being aimed only at our young people?
M&Gmom
2:59 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
In my opinion teenage drinking is sad...it shows a lack of imagination, self-care, maturity, and responsibility...teens who participate are engaging in adult behaviors (drinking, drugs, sex) without taking on the responsibility that goes along with it...fyi, this isn't only a problem for well-to-do NE suburbs...anyone following the sad situation related to teenage drinking in Steubenville, Ohio? (Google it)....be prepared, permissive parents to be the responsible party when/if things go wrong...I support your right to introduce your children to whatever substance/behavior you see fit BUT I also expect to see you prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law when illegal behavior occurs (either yours or your children's)...whether it's as a result of your child's actions or another child who was somehow involved with you or your children. No pity for those parents who are written up in local papers when they are criminally charged for hosting parties/providing alcohol/or just turning a blind eye. Cry your crocodile tears somewhere else. This discussion highlights the lack of responsible behavior in our society today... I'm going to be responsible by encouraging my children to make smart choices and to avoid situations and households that are encouraging risky, inappropriate behavior.
FourScore
3:27 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
"In my opinion teenage drinking is sad...it shows a lack of imagination, self-care, maturity, and responsibility..."
If so, then isn't the same true for adult drinking?
12345678
3:42 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Um, yeah, teens tend to lack maturity....
I think most parents encourage smart choices vs risky, inappropriate behavior.
I'm guessing you never did anything your parents didn't encourage.
Abraham Clark
4:31 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
That makes sensd Steve, you are probably so anti-social and paranoid that you live a unabomber life style in the middle of no-where and watch doomsday preppers 24/7 in between spewing ignorant racist jokes to yourself. BTW they have treatment for social anxiety disorder now, you should ask your dr about it.
Jack jones
8:51 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
1st of all 08 is a number that could easily be .12 but another story....85% of university presidents want beer and wine if not alcohol drinking age returned to 18. We push kids underground , binge drinking, and/ or driving to destinations and putting more people at risk! I would rather monitor and observe and have a controlled area where limited alcohol can be consumed! More people will be killed by drivers talking/ texting/ or just plain distracting than alcohol being involved! W don't live in a perfect society but more gov't and poor gov't laws are not really helping anyone
mommy1
7:54 am on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
as a counselor i will say it is a double edge sword to allow underage drinking...on one hand you want it done safely and u want to know about it. On the other hand you don't want to be condoning breaking the law. Because it is not ok to break the law. It is a complicated issue. I do think that if kids are able to die for our country at 18 then maybe they should be allowed to drink too...but i am for raising the military age to 21...lol
Mike M
8:26 am on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
The way I see it is that kids make drinking an event.."I'm going out drinking tonight" rather than drinking at an event..."I'm going to spend time with friends and have a drink." May appear to be a subtle difference but it's not.
Just sayin'
10:21 am on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
The New Jersey drinking age was returned to 21 after disasterous results while it was lowered to 18. Young people in that age group slaughtered themselves--and others--in record numbers.
It's scary how few posters have considered the implication of 100 rinking kids.
How did they get there? Parker Road doesn't have that many teens in the immediate vicinity.
Most drove. And if their common sense had evaporated far enough by the time the cops came that many ran into the woods without coats and outerwear on a freezing night, what's the chance they would have shown equally poor judgement when it was time to get home?
That could have been dozens of cars with drunk teens behind the wheel. Maybe you or a member of your family would have been hit by one of them.
Doubt if many would have called their parents and said, "Mom, dad, I'm drunk at a party here on Parker Road. Come and get me."
Chester Mom
12:54 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
It was raised to 21 when the federal government tied highway money to the drinking age. Raise it you get money. Keep it at 18 - no money.